Ok...because obisdion believes I'm just trying to cause chaos, I'll actually make a thread that people would look at that deals with this place.

First let me make it very very very VERY! clear....We are not Admins, what this place is going to do is set guidelines, till a real rule is put in place by admin/martin...

This way anbu/kages know how to react and know what to do in a situation like this...


SO!! lets get started...

This place inst against rules, nore is it cheating, nore is it unfair..really it's unfair for it not to be there figuring how huge the level caps are...Thats why I believe we need to have a group of people from the game who are anbu's and Kages that know how to use their powers and can be nice to those that use this place..

So lets get this going, what I want to see is small debating that shows that this community can agree..I want guidelines that would state how high a person can be before their not allowed to go there..than I want fair punishments, no goddam DNR Until so many warnings been given..

Is this fine with everyone....

Okay, you make it sound like your mocking me. This place is unfair. They way you wrote makes it sound like we all have no choice but to accept this. Sometimes Shadow thats all you try to do. I'm sure if I spent a minute looking through your posts I could find where you admit it...anyways I don't want to argue.

The XXX place is very very very very very unfair. Again we will refer to Gabezor. I know that Gabezor is most likely a multi so how main is probably proud to hear his name mentioned so much. In a matter of 2 weeks a player can get to level 70. So if a player is not being watched or doesn't get found out the damage would be done. Another reason why its unfair is that anyone who went up to genin cannot use this link (seeing as why Gabezor wouldn't want to go up a rank). I will not accept Gabezor back even if he promises never to use this link again because the damage has been done. All players who exist now cannon use the link even if they wanted too. Its much easier for the entire nfg kage and anbu to enforce this tpe of policy. But like you said we will need the villages to agree. I think that everyone have got on well with out this link there is no point in using it now. With every Anbu and Kage watching for this we would have nothing to worry about 1 warning and then after that prison. I have been warning every one I see that goes in there; you make it sound like I'm running around imprisoning everyone. In fact I'd rather not prison anyone. I'd prefer it if players wern't always looking for a way to get 1 up on the competition. I want the game to be fair for every player not just the few who make multi's and start training with this link.

I'm sure I will get heavy resistance from shadow and a few other, but I have the best intrest of the game at heart. What have I to gain by doing this? I'm just trying to make it fair.

i completely agree with obsidion. that link is unfair to all who play and actualy try to do things the right way. no one should be allowed to use that link...

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U know what ignore the whole post under here, read it if you want but I decided to not wait for an answer, because I doubt obisdion going to get away from his 1 track thought and just go ahead and start chaos like I'm known for

I tried, noone cares, let the anbu/kages continue their corrupt power and I'll do the thing Im good at..find cracks in thier system and exploiting in..
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And the newbies that join this have no choice but to agree to you right? Didnt somone say that its hard for newbies to start, why cant this be used for them to get started..lvl 30 than they stop if they dont than DNR them like I would care after we get this set up...I'm trying to get you anbu and kages to see with ur eyes that there litteraly is no rules or guidelines...I wrote a guideline for Multi's yet none of you follow it, I try and get this set up and even ife veryone agree's you wont follow it, I dont really care for this game if it dies it dies and frankly all I can say is, well I tried to get the corrupt anbu/kages who feel they are right to pay attention...

You might think its unfair obisdion, but its unfair for a guy who just finds this broke, bug infested, rank fked up game and have to spend over a year just to get to lvl 100 and still not be anywhere near you guys..because if you continue to level at the same rate, you'll eventually be lvl 200 and that newbie still have not caught up...

So I'm meeting you half way, you got powers so frankly you just going to believe your right, if I had powers you would be listening wouldnt you obsidion, because than it be a different story, you'd be afraid that in less than 5 minutes (which is the fastest I done it) I prisoned every anbu/kage without any resistance..but that was back when there was a prison bug, if I did it now, how long till you could get martin to get on and fix that? think about all the corrupt anbu in this game, Think about that 1 Anbu who keeps releasing your gabezor, I know who it is, I can tell him all the things he needs to know, will that finally get your attention and meet me half way, or does my threats need to be carried out again to show that chaos will happen eventually so why not get the guy who morelikely going to cause it and at least to attempt to be friendly...

I've done nothing but show there are no rules, shoot since I became anbu I done nothing but show flaws in this dam game, and its rules, now its basically litterally 1 year later, and look were we are at, No admin, No rules, and more corrupted anbu than we had back when I was anbu...

And guess what a year ago, I point this all out, I said we needed new admins, I said we needed rules that are agreed apon, and I actually got a bug fixed that well would cause you more issues than this little xxx place...

So for once in this dam shitty games life, you might actually listen to the guy whose actually saying, I'm on ur side and not trying to break the game..

I opened this up to make this area a fair and open area...Keep this place a secret, if a newbie finds it than guess what he finds it..You think you could stop me..but how many academy accounts get started everyday..how hard would it be for me the guy who loves create chaos into this game to make a new account, actually play the account and be hidden, make it look like I'm not a multi, and just keep an eye on bingo book, and everytime a new name is put in that list, send a message out to them saying, Go here if you want to learn how to level faster..

Would I be breaking the rules, nope because its not against any rules written down...now it might be written in the air in invisible ink only seen by the people who made these rules up out of no where...but to all the newbies and actuall players in this game, we dont see these rules...

SO I say for the last dam time, meet me half fkin way obisdion before I decide its time for a change in government in nfg from democracy to monarchy...

:You tried and no one cares. Hmm thats how I kinda feel about this:


I've come a small way and there are always flaws in what you say. Like I said I don't want to argue with you, but I will if it needs to be done.
Believe me Shadow if you intend to cause chaos I will stop you although you will try and make a game out of that. If you send messeges to people who make multi accounts eventually it will get back to my ears and we can continue the cycle. I don't want that however.
I agree there needs to be a resolution. To make that fair and let every new player level to 30 instantly (practically)wouldn't solve anything. It would just make it easier for those who want to use this to get them to level 300.
Like I said it would be better if we all just banished this place. Its far easier to enforce the rule of not using it compaired to telling every single new player about it and then tell them they can only use it to level 30.
You have to see the logic in what I say; I wan't you to want to agree with me. My way has 0 chance of backfireing and is the fairest way...If I didn't want to try and talk this out I wouldn't be here typing.

I said keep it a secret, but if somone finds out about the place than just tell them their is a limit to how far they can go with that...It be a reward for those who learn abotu it basically...I rather turn everything I do into a game, it makes this boring game more enjoyable...

I know but its just big headcahes for me and the few other who try to keep the rest in line. Like I just caught this guy in the xxx place. rockboy360@ymail.com...I know I have caught him before on his other account that I'm sure he has...He keeps making accounts and using the xxx place. When he gets caught he pretends that he doesn't know what it is, then denies that he was there, then says it doesn't work for him and is just a blank page, and then he finaly says that he won't do it again. And that is just the first warning. I imagine he will try again with in 5 mins and I will catch him. This is what I deal with everyday. He and probably like only 3 other people are creating more accounts and using the xxx place...hoping that they won't get caught. Then there are people that just started a week ago or w/e they see these new charicters that are level 25 in 1 day and say hat is the point in trying when I'm just going to get blown out of the water? Well ifI had more people on board we could eliminate this problem and move on.

I'll attempt to talk to martin, I just think it would be somthing nice few new players to use to gain levels and not have them quit...I dont believe its cheating either...You really need to define how this is, maybe count is as abuse, but not abusing a bug or glitch. But whatever if anyone comes to me about this place I'll probably defend them till I can get martin to do somthing about it..thats if martin even talks...

I say have martin place a lvl cap in it.

"if lvl => 40
then no workie for you"

(yes a really crappy if then script i know.)

40 or 50 that way it gives new players the boost and us old player something rather than ourselves to attack.

But this will prolly never happen, so wait for beta everyone and just try to keep up with these young wiper snappers and their newfangle XXX hot spot.

****throws a cane****

If you can't get to it without typing in the URL then I concider it unfair (I barely know what it is, let alone how to get to it). Now, I skimmed through this and will read it all when I can, and I'm sure shadow shouldn't get mad at that. I do see why it could be acceptable for newbies to abuse it; but if you let one person, you have to let everyone. Some people will want to have their turn to level quickly.

It's a better idea to lower the level cap to whatever the #1 person has, then keep it there until we get more people up that high. Then we won't have to worry about monitoring the XXX Place.

Blah, I'm just rambling again,
JordaNadroJ

I really don't feel like getting into an arguement about this. I can see where Shadow is coming from that it is a part of the game designed to help out newer players. But I would like to just have this thrown out there for thought. Back when we did have admins that were approved by Martin we had a problem with hidden villages in the game. The admins considered going to the villages a crime and punished people who did this. Isn't this case somewhat similar to that and perhaps we could use that former judgement in a similar case as a common law for this since they are both accessed in similar ways. Please correct me if I am wrong though.

Shadow , I know as well who is the one who release Gabezor. What's more important is that somebody ( Obsidion won't believe me if I say his name :D) told me lots of interesting things. If he isn't lying then we have a bigger problem than you could imagine.
I tend to believe him because a few days ago I had a discussion with Pyro and everything matches. I will give more details when I will have solid proof.


Well... Gabezor is guilty. The XXX place is a weakness of the game which is equivalent with bug abuse . Still... I wonder why Gabezor sit down and don't say anything.
Rogue is right . This case is a bit similar with the hidden villages. I said a bit because if you go to the hidden villages you won't receive energy as you do in XXX place.

Exactly as Nadroj said , as long as you must modify the link to go there then it's unfair compared with the other players.



So let's stop talking and actually do something.
I know this thing was discussed before so it's time to apply it because Martin won't move a finger to help.

Each kage should go and open a topic in the village forum.Together with the villagers he must make a list with all the rules they want . Then we will hold a meeting with a a player from each village and finish all the rules.

If 2 players (from different villages) will agree with me then I will be the first kage who do it.

I am also talking to Martin about this. I know that it is either 1 of 2 ninja or they both could be releasing...lol...

You all should know I have the games best intrest at heart. It should be obvious that this is something that gives an unfair advantage to other players.

lol I think that the game should work like this...
Academy students can only level up to 11 and then until they get to Genin they can't level...and so on.

but how do you find out if someone knows the page or not? and lets say we make the level cap for xxx 30 and someone didnt rank up for a reason till level 40 and finds out of this place then, what happens then?

I have to agree with Nadroj and rouge etc.
Although it is built into the game, there is no link to it and the URL has to be modified in order to reach it. Its unfair to those who don't use the xxx and then even if we put a limit on it, some will slip past the radar and it just creates a lot of work for anbu/kage. I don't see martin modifying the code so...

I also got this nice pm from rockboy360@ymail.com
Date: 03/07/09 - 01:30
no subject
"pls dnt prisn me nd i giv you credts?"

I usually stay away from the forum but:
I agree with Shadow009, if the link is to be used then there must be a cap (level 20, maybe 30).

Can't the admin just write down a limit? It can be done in the code and ANBUs won't need to go after it because once the player reachs the level limit the page simple won't work anymore. He will simple rank up so he can move faster in NFG (I man, come on, who will stay over one hour in the same village?).

Also, if you say it is a cheat then people will keep using it, they simply won't care if it is cheating and if you prison then for ever they just go and make a new account.

If the admin wrote it in the game code then Gabezor would be unable to use it because he would be aboe the level limit.


Edit:
How do I setup an avatar here? I tried looking and I found nothing :P

Why should we set up a limit?
I think we should erase use all together.

Quoting from Sandaime Kazekage (Holmez89) The oldest Grass Villager in the game:
because it technically wasn't finished, so it wasn't supposed to be used yet. a few people happened to stumble upon it and started to spread the word around.

at one time before admin left he gave an announcement that no one was supposed to use the xxx place.

Surely that should help clear things up?

Monkeyboy

Can you prove he posted that monkeyboy?

I ask you Monkyboy, why take it away?
Yourself said it, it is not complete, then let the admin complete it by limiting it.

Set a level cap.

It's easier to remove than edit ^^